the cbi team manager roundtable, for closer #9

"It'll Buff Out."

Something a little different for Closer Skateboarding, Issue #9...

An idea I'd been kicking around for quite some time now, I sat down with legendary team managers Sam Smyth (Crailtap), Brennan Conroy (Alien/Habitat) and Mike Sinclar (Toy/Fallen/Nike) to find out all there is to know about skateboarding's most intriguing gig.

Who's the smelliest dude in the squad?
What's your sketchiest experience on the road?
Who's your most regrettable sponsor-me tape rejection?
...and so much more. 

Probably the most fun I've ever had doing one of these.

Photos by Ben Colen, Mike Heikilla, Oliver Barton, Joey Shigeo and Jaime Owens.

Thanks to everyone involved for making this happen. 

Now available at your local skateshop...
if not, order here. 

photo: smyth

photo: barton

photo: colen

photo: owens

R.I.P. Milo

technique: handrails (2018)

Finally giving this roundtable piece I did for TWS a proper home... 

Loosely based on Transworld's "Street Symposium" articles of yesteryear, I've always been pretty stoked on how this one came out. I hope you like it, too.

= O

*This article was originally published in the January 2018 issue of Transworld Skateboarding.

“Handrails changed everything. That was the real sea change in terms of opening up what all was possible in the urban landscape.” –Tony Hawk

Conceived in the Santa Monica-bred Natas and Gonz melting pot of progression that boiled over so many years ago, handrails have always served as the proper separation between “casual fun” and “serious shit”. One of street skating’s longest-standing lines in the sand, try taking that same trick from cuddly curb to serious seven-stair and watch the eyebrows raise. Oh, you fancy now!

One can largely measure the timeline of street skating’s progression by the measure of its rails. Varieties of banister formerly seen as pure fantasy in the past have now become daily staples in the warm-up routines of precocious ten-year-olds everywhere. From the three-stair pokers of the late ’80s to current day skating’s erector set bullet trains to hell, this ever-dangerous obstacle remains the proving ground for pushing limits and snatching glory. How far we’ve come.

For this first(?) installment of Technique, we invited a legendary roster of rail chompers past and present to individually field a quick questionnaire on the subject of skateboarding’s most unforgiving terrain. Each subject received the same list of unlucky 13 questions and had no knowledge of their colleagues’ corresponding responses. Enjoy.

Pat Duffy, backside lipslide. Novato, CA.
Photos: Tobin Yelland

Cast of Characters:

01. Pat Duffy The father of modern handrail skating. His beyond-influential Questionable part in 1992 set the benchmark with clips that still bang today.

02. Kyle Walker Oklahoma upstart propelled into the spotlight with fearless pant-pisser stunts destined for the history books.

03. Nyjah Huston The promise of a child prodigy fulfilled. Ice cold, no mistakes.

04. Jamie Thomas Early handrail pioneer notorious for misleading our youth to hell and back. Thanks, Chief!

05. Cole Wilson Foundation’s latest handrail enfant terrible. Up, down and around…no rail is safe. 

06. Dane Burman Sydney’s soldier of fortune with No Cash Value. His Philly 50-50 for Zero’s Cold War will go down in infamy.

Jamie Thomas, noseslide. Pittsburgh, PA.
Photo: Alex Papke

What was your first trick down a handrail? How long was the rail? And how long had you been skating at the time?

Pat Duffy: This was early ’90 so I’d probably been skating seriously for about a year and a half. It was a boardslide on a bent two-stair handrail… I think a truck had backed into it or something. But yeah, I remember making it and thinking to myself, “Okay, I’m going to go try a ten-stair now,” and off I went! I got annihilated. Racked my balls and the whole deal. I remember having to catch the bus back with my tail between my legs. It was miserable.

Kyle Walker: Do you remember the Rail of Tranquility in Houston? That was my first street rail. I did a front board down it. I had a helmet on and everything. I must’ve been 13 or 14 at the time so I was a couple years in.

Nyjah Huston: The first trick I ever did down a handrail was a front board down a six-stair. I was seven-years-old at the time so I’d been skating for two years.

Jamie Thomas: My first rail trick was a caveman boardslide down a three-stair. I did a front board down it a few days later. It was 1988 so I’d been skating seriously for a few years by then.

Cole Wilson: My first rail was a four-stair wooden rail. I noseslid it. I think that I’d been skating for maybe five months at that point.

Dane Burman: My first trick down a rail was a backside boardslide. It was on a five-stair rail in Sydney that everyone used to skate called the Silver Rail. I was around 15 or 16, so I’d been skating for a good seven years or so already. But once I did that first one, I started jumping on every rail after that. Within a year, I was trying stuff down twelve-stairs and bigger. I got bit by the handrail bug, for sure.

Always ahead of the curve, Tony Hawk spotlighted the impending handrail revolution for his monthly Beyond column for June 1989. 
Lance Mountain, boardslide. Photo: O. Inset: Mark Farrington, caveman boardslide. Photo: Vuckovich.

What’s your current go-to warm up handrail trick? What’s your tester move?

Pat Duffy: Always a frontside 50-50. I used to always have to ollie the stairs first as well but after a while, it got to the point where you couldn’t always do that.

Kyle Walker: If it’s frontside, a 50-50. If it’s backside, just a typical boardslide.

Nyjah Huston: Frontside or backside 50s first, depending on the rail. Just to get the feel of it.

Jamie Thomas: Ironically, it’s still a caveman board followed by a front board.

Cole Wilson: Just a frontside grind. That always works.

Dane Burman: Backside, it’s usually a boardslide. Frontside, it’s a 50-50 unless it’s a taller rail, where I might try to slide a front board first instead. I’m not too good at front boards so I never actually seem to land them warming up… which means I’ll probably kick out and then go back to trying 50-50s. (Laughs)

Cole Wilson, frontside 50-50. Mission Viejo, CA.
Photo: Cody Lisch

For you personally, what’s the gnarliest rail you’ve ever done and what trick was it?

Pat Duffy: Looking back, I’d say that lipslide through the kink in Virtual Reality. I had looked at that rail for years and originally wanted to do a 50-50 but for some reason, I went with a lipslide instead. I still don’t know why.

Kyle Walker: The Glendale one that everyone talks about was pretty crazy but I’d say the multi-kink one that I did for my Vans commercial a couple of months before was scarier. Glendale was really long but the scariest part was right at the beginning with the first kink. After you got in there and stood up, it was all balance from there. For my Vans commercial, I had to pick my spot a month or two prior to shooting, which meant that I couldn’t just go out and do it. I had to wait for a permit. Knowing that I had to do it “soon” like that was pretty nerve-racking. I ended up having to do it at ten in the morning with all of these cameras set up. It was super stressful.

Nyjah Huston: Well, I did a back five-0 down a 34-stair recently for ETN. That was pretty gnarly. There has honestly been a few others that I’ve gotten as of late but I can’t really talk about them yet. I’m working on a new part.

Jamie Thomas: The scariest one for me was probably a 50-50 down the 20-stair at Earl Warren. It was filmed a few weeks after Misled Youth was released but the footage didn’t come out until the after-black section of my Dying to Live part.

Cole Wilson: I would probably say the last clip in my Oddity part, a frontside grind… I honestly don’t know how long that rail was.

Dane Burman: In my opinion, it would be the 50-50 in Philly that was my last trick in Cold War. I’ve grinded harder and scarier rails but I think that one had the highest consequences if anything were to go wrong.

Although Natas and Gonz had already been hitting handrails for sometime, Hawaiian Power Bra Johnee Kop was the first to feature this new concept in the pages of Transworld via this (cavemanned?) Town & Country ad. February, 1987.

Of all the tricks you typically do down rails, which one is the most fun for you?

Pat Duffy: Back smiths.

Kyle Walker: A 50-50 or a feeble on a good, long rail. Just get on and glide.

Nyjah Huston: It always depends on the rail but I probably have the most fun doing backside 50-50 grinds down really long rails, where you can just stand on it and go. Back smiths are really fun, too.

Jamie Thomas: I’m from the ’90s so my tricks are basic but back smiths and front feebles always feel the best.

Cole Wilson: I really like the feeling of a front board on a good-sized rail.

Dane Burman: Long backside 50-50s are the most fun.

Jamie Thomas’ handrail-inspired critique of the day’s skateboarding media landscape graced our September 2000 cover. 
Photo: Grant Brittain

Which one gives you the most trouble?

Pat Duffy: Probably back smiths again.

Kyle Walker: You will not see me doing frontside or backside five-0s. I don’t know what it is, man. Every time I think I got ‘em, it just folds.

Nyjah Huston: I have to say that front crooks are always a hard one for me. And it’s weird because I’m pretty good at back overcrooks on rails. I can also do front crooks on flat rails pretty easily, too. But I always tend to have problems with them going down rails for whatever reason.

Jamie Thomas: They all give me trouble these days! [laughs]

Cole Wilson: Probably a front blunt.

Dane Burman: I’ve been having trouble with backside smith grinds lately but I always seem to fuck up on front crooks and frontside noseblunts. I always miss locking in.

Kyle Walker, frontside lipslide. Irvine, CA.
Photo: Alex Papke

What trick is the scariest?

Pat Duffy: Handrails are just scary, man. Obviously not the little ones but those days are long gone. I can’t speak to what these dudes are doing now but a back lip might be the scariest for me.

Kyle Walker: Probably a front crook. Much respect to all the folks out there doing that one. That or a frontside noseslide. Shout out to Lizard King on the Hollywood 16!

Nyjah Huston: Backside noseblunts. Because you’re totally putting yourself out there, fully-rotated backwards. It’s really easy to get hurt.

Jamie Thomas: Flip-in tricks have always been scary to me. I tried a few in the late ’90s but I always felt like I was chasing my shadow.

Cole Wilson: Front crooks. I don’t even dare to try them most of the time.

Dane Burman: I’m scared of tricks where you ollie and turn frontside at the rail. My board always feels like it comes off my feet a little and I can just picture myself clipping the rail and sacking. Front lip, front tail, front smith, front noseblunt, front nosegrind… they’re all scary to me.

“That HK cover of the backtail in front of the American Flag? I think Dave Swift shot it. That photo rips!”–Cole Wilson.
TWS 2000 Photo Annual featuring skateboarding’s most interesting man.

What’s a common feature in rails that annoys you the most? What represents the biggest deal breaker for you when looking at a rail?

Pat Duffy: I used to always hate those little kinks at the bottom. In my era, if there was one of those at the end of a rail, it basically meant that you had to come back later and saw it off, but I don’t even think kids care about those now.

Kyle Walker: Aluminum. You will never see me skating an aluminum rail.

Nyjah Huston: I love skating kinked rails but I hate square kinked rails. Circle rails lock-in better. You feel like you’re in there more. It’s just a matter of dimensions and personal preference. It might be too steep, too short, the wrong material… aluminum can be super sketchy at times. You have to keep all of those things in mind whenever you’re checking a rail out. But if you’re not feeling it, maybe just go look for another one. There are too many good rails out there to be skating bad ones.

Jamie Thomas: No run up is the worst.

Cole Wilson: I like all shapes and sizes. If it looks like a good time, I’ll jump on it. But square kinks are my least favorite, for sure.

Dane Burman: I hate steep rails. That’s my biggest no-no. You have to go slow and barely pop to get on them. Nothing ever feels locked in right because you can never really put enough weight on there. I also hate the small kinks that sometimes come at the end of rails. You’ll be locked in so good and thinking you’re about to ride away when the next thing you know, the kink swats the board off your feet quicker than Kobe defending the net as you go in for a dunk… I know nothing about basketball but you get the idea.

Dane Burman gap frontside lipslide. Pittsburgh, PA.
Photo: Alex Papke

What’s the secret to kinked handrails?

Pat Duffy: People always bring up my 50-50 in Questionable but honestly, those were mellow kinks. I think that you just have to absorb it. Use your spine and your knees to get through it.

Kyle Walker: Lean in that backseat… but not too far. And cross them fingers.

Nyjah Huston: It takes a while and experience definitely helps. I tried to back 50 my first kinked rail, a perfect triple kink, when I was 11 and almost got killed. I flipped out but luckily, it was only grass on the side. So yeah, I was really scared of them for a while. You have to find some mellow ones and build your way up. You’ll get the hang of it. Because it does take some time figuring out how to really compress into that first kink if it’s a decent-size set.

Jamie Thomas: Relax and try to absorb the kinks. It’s like a pole jam but not as severe.

Cole Wilson: You basically have to think of it like rolling down a bank. You just have to pump through where it goes flat. It’s basically the same concept.

Dane Burman: I love big kinks. As long as I have time to feel the kink and the change of direction, there isn’t a better feeling. My best advice is to watch Cole Wilson. He gets on with his weight dead on-top every time and he stays squatted with a low center-of-gravity to keep balance. That’s how you do it.

A bucket-clad Mark Gonzales delivers his boardslide lovechild onto the pages of our June 1987 issue. Classic material.

What’s a tip you can give to someone about to try their first handrail? Is there anything specific that you should or shouldn’t do?

Pat Duffy: Hesitation is your worst enemy. You have to clear your head and believe that you’re going to make it. If you hesitate at all, you’re fucked.

Kyle Walker: If you think you’re going fast enough, take one more push anyway. And bottom line, no hesitation. Just say fuck it and hope for the best.

Nyjah Huston: I remember being six years old and wanting to try rails so badly. I’d roll up over and over again for hours but I couldn’t get myself to try it. I just wasn’t ready and not being ready is how you get hurt. Skate some park rails first, too. Skating as many different types of rails as possible will help your confidence going forward. You’ll know how to adjust to any situation.

Jamie Thomas: Skate a flat bar religiously and then skate a skatepark rail. Once you get that figured out, try to find a similar rail out in the real world. For me, confidence comes from preparation and experience.

Cole Wilson: Make sure to fully ollie. I see kids that don’t seem to think about that, which can be deadly. Clip on the way up and you’re getting tossed, straight to the sack.

Dane Burman: For your first rail, always go fast enough to where you won’t sack or land on the stairs. You want to be able to get to the bottom. And don’t second-guess yourself. I’ve seen people jump off their boards to sack so many times because they had doubt in their mind.

Gone far too soon, Shane Cross slayed El Toro with a jaw-dropping frontside nosegrind for our February 2005 cover. Shine on.
Photo: O’Meally

Do you have any “madness”-type behaviors that come into play with any of this?

Pat Duffy: This is embarrassing but I used to say “No Fear” over and over in my head. I know that it’s the name of a stupid jock clothing company but it had nothing to do with that, which makes it even more ridiculous. It was like this chant that I had to repeat over and over again before trying something gnarly.

Kyle Walker: Nothing too crazy. I used to always have to drag my tail when throwing down but I haven’t really been doing that one anymore. Getting that first try out of the way is always the worst. If it’s something that you are pretty scared of doing, the first try is always the one. But once that’s over, you’re good.

Nyjah Huston: I had a few things like that as a kid… tapping my board on the ground three times before going, things like that. But I’ve gotten over all that as it really goes with that whole “no hesitation” thing. You have to know, on some level, that if you really want to do a trick, you’re going to have to go for it. So you might as well just get to work.

Jamie Thomas: I just need the foreground to be clear. Distractions in my line of vision are tough to overcome unless I’m in the zone.

Cole Wilson: Not really. None of that.

Dane Burman: Sometimes I get mad at myself for second-guessing if I can do a trick and start talking to myself, but nothing I would call “madness.” No tapping wheels or counting to three or anything like that.

Nyjah Huston, backside 180 nosegrind. Fullerton, CA.
Photo: Cameron Strand

What’s the gnarliest thing you’ve ever seen go down on a rail in-person?

Pat Duffy: When I saw Chris Joslin do the back lip that was in True, it just looked so easy for him. I also saw Paul Machnau boardslide a 20-stair rail that had gaps in the middle of it. He boardslid through the gaps. I couldn’t believe that I was watching him do it.

Kyle Walker: When Elijah [Berle] did that nosegrind nollie flip at the bank spot for our Vans video? That was pretty insane to watch. He couldn’t have done that any better.

Nyjah Huston: Well, right before I did that back five-0 down the 34-stair I mentioned earlier, I watched my buddy Chase Webb do a smith down the same rail. That was really gnarly. There’s no way that I’d personally want to hold a smith grind down 34.

Jamie Thomas: I wasn’t there but in my opinion, Dane’s 50-50 at Philly City Hall in Cold War is the gnarliest rail stunt ever done.

Cole Wilson: I watched Corey Glick overcrook this triple-set rail in honor of Heath Kirchart’s birthday one time. It was the same rail that Heath had back lipped years earlier. We kept screaming, “Do it for HK!” Cory handled it first-try, no problem.

Dane Burman: Ed Duff’s kickflip boardslide down the Hollywood 16 comes to mind. So many things could go wrong with that one. James Brockman’s switch grind went down in that same session, which was also a scary one to see. Both of those are in Cold War.

“Shout Out to Lizard King’s frontside noseslide down Hollywood 16!”
Mike Plum comes correct for our March 2010 cover. Photo: Yoon Sul

Who or what inspires you to skate rails? What’s your motivation to risk life and limb?

Pat Duffy: Jeff Petit and Ray Simmonds in Shackle Me Not. They were from Marin County where I grew up and they were amazing. Doing ten-stairs with one push. So gnarly.

Kyle Walker: The Cardiel front board that he did in Sacramento. That’s always stuck out in my head. Skating with Ishod always gets me hyped, too. David Gravette. And skating with the homies, of course. It’s always a good time.

Nyjah Huston: Geoff Rowley, 100-percent. I’ve always loved Arto Saari, too. Chris Cole skated a lot of kinked rails back in the day and I’ve always looked up to him as well. When it comes to handrails, that’s just the type of skateboarder I am. I’m always trying to challenge myself. Scaring myself to get that adrenaline rush. It’s just so exciting.

Jamie Thomas: It’s fun and easier on the body than taking the stairs.

Cole Wilson: Geoff Rowley and Arto Saari are big heroes of mine. Heath Kirchart. Leo Romero, too. And I really like Matt Bennett’s trick selection as well. That dude’s a magic man.

Dane Burman: Kirchart. Always. If I want to try something and I’m a little shook, throw on “Nights in White Satin” and that always helps. Ben Gilley was another one who I always loved watching. He had so much passion to just fucking get some. I loved that. I like skating rails because I’m definitely not the most talented skateboarder out there. Other types of skating just end up frustrating me a lot of the time. Handrails are a direction that I feel like I can really push myself in. I like being scared and overcoming that fear… controlling it and using it to my advantage.

A true Oddity, Cole Wilson frontside grinds UP a double- kink for the April 2016 issue. Photo: Jaime Owens

Big thanks to everyone who participated, Jaime Owens and the entire TWS crew.

chrome ball roundtable #1: eric koston

Chops sits down with P-Rod, Lance and the Gav to discuss all things Frosty for Legend 'zine.

Thanks for coming out today, gentlemen. We’ll start this thing off with an easy one:  tell us about the first time you had a run-in with Mr. Eric Koston.

Gavin: It was through this social dating site called “JDate”. I saw his profile and immediately became interested…

P-Rod: I first met Koston when I was 13 years-old. He was skating a demo at my local shop. The first time I saw him, he was standing in the middle of all these kids signing autographs. I remember just straight running right in the mix and turning around so he could sign my backpack. I was stoked.

Lance: I was hearing about this whiz kid who skated with Eddie Elguera a long time before I actually met him. But when I finally did, it was at this skate camp in Oregon. He was taking 2-minute runs on the mini-ramp, literally doing every trick.  I decided not to skate that day.

Gavin: I was sitting in the H-Street house with Donger, Dan Peterka and Sal Barbier one weekend when this young dude wearing bad shorts and tube socks walks in with his friends. I still remember the sweat lines he had on his hat. It was a cheap target for Sal and I that we completely honed in on. We just let loose on the guy.

Why did so many people seem to think that Koston was kinda nerdy back in the day?

Gavin: Well, he had a really bad comb-over. But like most people who find skateboarding at an early age and fall in love with it, you just really don’t know who you are. You’re knee-deep in skateboarding and that’s all you care about. And on top of that, he was just so introverted and shy… and we were vicious back then.

Paul: He’s just not that wild type of dude. He’s way more analytical than that. And let’s face it, he had to be a bit of a skate nerd to get where he is.

Lance: Anyone that is young and who is a little more advanced is always hated on for a while. That’s just how it is. Because they are a threat and a game-changer. The best way to explain it is like when Tony Hawk came along. He was a little bit younger and he wasn’t doing things quite correctly. We didn’t necessarily like the way he was skating, we were all about power and style, but it was obvious he was going to change the game. We were doing our best to make sure everybody didn’t jump on board so quickly.

When did you see Eric becoming the game changer? When he did go from being just another good skater to THAT dude?

Gavin: Fuck that, I’m just as good as that dude!

Lance: Honestly, it was that first time I saw him skate at that Skate Camp. He was on H-Street at the time and I remember telling him flat-out that if he ever wanted to leave, I was starting to a new company and that I’d love to put him on. He was the first guy I approached and I approached him the first time I ever saw him skate. I remember him telling me that he’d never quit H-Street…. 3 weeks later, he was on 101.

Gavin: Yeah, not to sound corny or cliché but it really was the first time I saw him skate. That day I first met him at the H-Street house, he was in town for this CASL contest. I really didn’t think much about it… I actually did my best to make sure Eric’s arrival at our house was not a comfortable experience for him. But when I saw him skate later on that day, he was doing everything…  and all within 1 or 2 tries. I couldn’t believe it. From then on, I just knew he had so much natural ability. That he was just a rad fucking skateboarder.

P-Rod: I’ve never met anybody that knew him when he was just another dude skater trying to make it. It’s crazy. It seems like he’s always been Koston. I’ve asked a lot of the old Girl dudes and Steve Berra… all guys that have known him for a long time and they never remember him as a beginner. He was always the best.

Gavin: You know, I’m getting older. I have kids now. And I’m starting to realize things like certain people just have natural gifts. Eric’s obviously naturally-gifted with coordination but it’s more than that. His brain chemistry is just different. When he became Eric Koston, that was it. He was on that other level and you couldn’t really compare yourself. For me, it actually became pretty helpful because I didn’t have to worry who was getting last video part anymore.

Favorite Koston video part?

P-Rod: They’re all incredible. But if I have to say one: Menikmati.

Gavin: Falling Down.

Lance: My answer’s probably the worst but my favorite is that Charlie Chaplin thing he did. Not that I don’t think any of his parts stand out but those are the special things that set people apart for me. Once you’re a great skater and have those parts, it’s those other things that become most memorable for me. But I do know that 101 part really opened up a lot of opportunities for him. 

Is there a particular Koston dork trick that sticks out for you from over the years? What would you say is the craziest thing you ever saw him do?

Gavin: I was always partial to his stinkbug frontside airs.

P-Rod: I actually wasn’t with him for this but there’s a sequence that sticks out in my mind from the early 90’s. He’s at this double-sided ledge around back from the Med Choice Gap down in San Diego and he does a noseslide pop-over with a nollie frontfoot-flip out. So insane. And evidently he never filmed it. He just did it and the photographer luckily caught it. That’s an insane trick now and here he is doing it 20 years ago!

Lance: I honestly don’t like his dork tricks. That’s basically him making fun of us.

Didn’t you shoot the Fandangle, Lance?

Lance: Yeah, I used to shoot photos for the Girl guys and was lucky enough to shoot it. He was trying a nollie 180 switch crooks at Beverly Hills High and what you see there with his legs like that was how he was getting out of it. I had a bunch of photos like that and thought there were funny so I turned them into Rick and ran it with the Fandangle name on it.

P-Rod: Now it’s a classic.

Lance: I saw him actually make it once, though. We were skating in Tampa and the crowd just started calling out for it. This was after the ad when everyone was talking about if it was real or not. But he did it. It wasn’t on a rail, more like a small hubba, but he really did it. Locked in with one foot on, one foot off and he landed all silly. People were freaking out! I’m not making this up!

The legend grows, I guess. But be honest, Lance... do you get Koston's obsession with mainstream sports? He was one of the first pros to really care about that stuff... which always kinda bugged me out. 

Lance: I don’t necessarily understand it… he could play any of those dudes and hang but none of those famous athletes could ride a skateboard.

Well put. So how would you guys describe Eric’s process with tricks? What’s the maddest you ever saw him get at a trick?

Gavin: That’s an interesting question because we were a generation that enjoyed getting mad. Throwing boards, focusing boards… we were spoiled kids. Little brats. And with Koston, I can’t think of a particular trick back then because he was always upset. If he couldn’t get a trick within 5 attempts, he was whining. That’s just how he was back then. You should’ve tried driving with the guy. (laughs)

Lance: I don’t ever really see him getting pissed, to be honest. The way I see him getting frustrated with his skating now, it seems like that’s when he starts goofing around. I do the same thing. You’re trying something so hard that you know you can do but aren’t, you get so pissed off at the thing that you just start making fun of it. You do that instead of throwing your board. Just to let off steam.  

Gavin: He’s just super smart. His approach to doing a trick is very well thought out. He analyzes every little element of every little detail of what he’s trying to do. He’s not that dude who flies by night, showing up at a spot to fucking wing it. He’s too analytical.

Even during his chubby Goldfish phase?

Gavin: It’s funny that period is even part of his legacy the way it is. But that was fucking weird, man. I don’t even know how that happened because we were skating every fucking day.

That’s hilarious.

Lance: He seems to learn tricks the way we used to, which I think is the best way. He may have a thought or idea beforehand but it all seems to stem from just messing around. He plays around with his board and his feet, seeing where they can go. It’s not from a competitive point of view… where he saw something and is trying to do something better. It’s more for himself.

P-Rod: I’ve personally never seen him spazz out on a trick. If it’s something a little scary for him, he’ll roll up nervous a couple of times but that’s really it. Eventually he starts trying it and will usually land it pretty quickly.

But I’ve always wondered with you, Paul…did you ever feel like you were in his shadow at all? And did that possibly play arole in your leaving Girl and Es?

P-Rod: Hell no! Eric Koston is my hero! You can never feel like you’re in the shadow of your hero! My leaving those companies had nothing to do with him. Those were the decisions I made in order to hopefully take my career to the next level. But having said that, I am glad to be back on a team with him after all these years.

What is something you can say you’ve learned from Koston? You’ve come a long way from getting your backpack signed at age 13, Paul.

P-Rod: I just feel Eric Koston is the epitome of a professional skateboarder. He’s what a pro skater should be. His talent and creativity… the way he carries himself. Even the way he dresses is cool. The longevity he’s had with such a high level of respect is something I aspire for. It’s a rare thing. I hope to be able to look back one day on such a career.

Gavin: I mean you’re talking about a guy who is so not interesting. Just kidding. He’s the best.

Lance: Just his dedication to what he loves. I get lazy sometimes and become frustrated with the overall process of tricks... wishing they would come easier. Eric works at it. There’s a lot of dedication involved with what he’s been able to do over the years. It may look easy for him but you know he’s worked hard. People have said that no one held together a team like the Bones Brigade but we only had 9 years. Girl has been going on for 20 years now and so much of that has to do with Koston. He’s been the standard for so long. There’s always that one person who does it during a specific time period that everyone else is chasing. There will never be another Eric Koston.

special thanks to Tim Gavin, Sal Barbier, Lance Mountain, Paul Rodriguez, Eric Koston, Mark Goldman, Kaspar van Lierop, Mark Whiteley, Nike SB and Legend.  

Be back on Tuesday. 

chrome ball roundtable #1: eric koston

Had the opportunity to sit down with Tim Gavin, Lance Mountain and Paul Rodriguez to discuss all things Frosty for a special edition of Legend Magazine. Fun times.

Limited and free but worth tracking down if you can.

And yes, I'll post up an extended version of the article here in a few weeks.